https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... ed-4939547 Did I miss the announcement on this? It's the bit about the player in question having points added to his existing record. What existing record? Do we get to find out what this is? I'm sure there are a million loopholes which clubs are planning to use. Does Warea-Hargreaves come with a clean slate?

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... ed-4939547 Did I miss the announcement on this? It's the bit about the player in question having points added to his existing record. What existing record? Do we get to find out what this is? I'm sure there are a million loopholes which clubs are planning to use. Does Warea-Hargreaves come with a clean slate?

Edit-Bans from 2024 get points attached to them and the points for each incident stay on a players record for 12 months, so a good few players, including Byrne, are in danger of big bans for any sort of charge in the early months of the season.

Is there a list anywhere with the current points that players carry over?



Good call on Byrne. It would put a question mark over signing anybody who had something like this hanging over their heads for the first month of the season.



I wonder if NRL players come with a clean slate?

Quote TonyM19="TonyM19"Is there a list anywhere with the current points that players carry over? Good call on Byrne. It would put a question mark over signing anybody who had something like this hanging over their heads for the first month of the season. I wonder if NRL players come with a clean slate?'" https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/th ... y-overhaul That lists the players in the most immediate danger of bans. I've read it wrong initially and the points actually drop off after 12 months on a case by case basis, so McIlorum had a Grade E in Feb 2024, that will drop off in Feb 2025 but it's not all the points. Liam Byrne had that charge on Good Friday and the rest of his incidents were after that, so he's actually in danger of a decent ban right through until the end of March, when the points for that Good Friday ban will drop off. Not sure on overseas players but it's laughable if somebody like JWH comes in with a clean slate, when he's probably the most banned player in world rugby league.

Quote TonyM19="TonyM19"Is there a list anywhere with the current points that players carry over? Good call on Byrne. It would put a question mark over signing anybody who had something like this hanging over their heads for the first month of the season. I wonder if NRL players come with a clean slate?'" https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/th ... y-overhaul That lists the players in the most immediate danger of bans. I've read it wrong initially and the points actually drop off after 12 months on a case by case basis, so McIlorum had a Grade E in Feb 2024, that will drop off in Feb 2025 but it's not all the points. Liam Byrne had that charge on Good Friday and the rest of his incidents were after that, so he's actually in danger of a decent ban right through until the end of March, when the points for that Good Friday ban will drop off. Not sure on overseas players but it's laughable if somebody like JWH comes in with a clean slate, when he's probably the most banned player in world rugby league.

It appears that players arriving from the NRL are not subject to the same rules. That cannot be right, it suggests a two-tiered approach which I am sure will be challenged.

Would a logical way to do this not be to estimate any incoming players points based on any charges that player got in the last 12 months in the NRL? I know we police our games differently and we seem to ban a lot more, but at least then there is some fairness to it and not just a blanket clean sheet for any player coming in. Or am i asking too much of the RFL there?

If they weren't going to apply any points to new signings from the NRL, they should've wiped all players records IMO or they should've given any repeat offenders over here a starting base of 5 points or so. Those players listed in the articles looking at 3+ games for something extremely minimal doesn't feel right, certainly not when somebody like JWH could (and probably will) come up with something far more serious and pick up less games. I like the idea of a points based system but it's starting off on a footing that doesn't feel level.

Full list of players and their points have been posted by Love Rugby League (they're different to what was being reported yesterday for some reason). Liam Byrne and Harry Smith are both going to need to be as clean as a whistle in the opening months. https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/th ... om-hull-fc

Full list of players and their points have been posted by Love Rugby League (they're different to what was being reported yesterday for some reason). Liam Byrne and Harry Smith are both going to need to be as clean as a whistle in the opening months. https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/th ... om-hull-fc

So does it work in a way that say if a player accumulated 8 points up to May last year, then come June this year those points will 'drop off' effectively meaning the player is now on zero points.



If so then I suspect a player could cop a ban say in May this year if they get a three point penalty, but then in June they will reduce to three points so any further points wont result in an instant ban but just start to accumulate on the ladder again and so on.



Is that how it is supposed to work?

Yeah, I think so. If a player had charges in Feb, May and July 2024 for example, they would drop off, one by one, in Feb, May and July 2025.



Looking at Byrne from Good Friday last year, if he has any sort of charge early in the season, he'll cop at least 3 matches. If he stays clean until 31st March 2025, he will have 12 points drop off his record and go down to just 3 points and then have some leeway. His 3 points will drop off around the 11th May 2025, which was the date of his second and last charge in 2024.



Harry Smith is actually the biggest concern looking at the disciplinary site. He only has 1 point against him for that Yellow card on the opening night at Cas but he has 12 points for that incident at Leeds on August 10th, so he is any sort of charge away from at least a 2 match ban from the first game, right through until August 10th 2025. I don't mind it in a way with Smith. He needs to improve that silliness that crept in last year and it should concentrate his mind a little.

Fenton Rogers may miss the whole season if he puts a foot wrong, it's a crazy situation when the rules are being applied retrospectively..

Sounds like another half baked RFL scheme to me. 1 rule for some and 1 rule for the rest.



Everyone should start with a clean slate otherwise it seems biased

On the plus side, they've put in a rule to stop the constant appeals from certain clubs, with a failed appeal now resulting in 5 points on a players record.



I feel for the garage that Mike Rush and Paul Wellens get their diesel from.

Personally Luke Thompsons is the most difficult for me in a stranger way

Most if not all his 5pts won't come off until next years GF

That means as soon as he picks up ANY kind of points even for a NFA (think thats 2pts?) or something that wouldn't even normally be a ban (6pts or over) he'll cop a ban every time !

Hes walking a tightrope every game until 2026!

And all for something that was IMO F*** All

At least Byrnes/Smiths drop off April/May/June etc.

10 of us in pub tonight discussing and 4 or 5 hadn't heard this was coming in

When we explained they virtually all said how can you punish people this year at a higher level than what it should be I.e Byrne get 4 games this year for a 1/2 game offence based on previous offences from the last year, when they were punished last year based on the system in place at that time.



And when You weigh up NRL players come with Zero



Anyway

I can't work out how he's on 5 points looking at the RFL disciplinary site. That has him receiving 4 grade B charges in 2024, so that should be a point each and put him on 4. They come off a point at a time in early March, mid may, early July and then a point from the GF comes off in October. He can probably get away with a game ban for anything under a Grade D for most of the season but it's frustrating that you only come in to this season with a poor disciplinary history if you did anything wrong in 2024 and are punished on the timing of it and also that new overseas players are free as a bird.



We'll be reet anyway. It'll at least open up some good opportunities for young lads and fringe players.

The RFL seem to have been thrust in to action after Sam Burgess criticised players carrying points over from 2024 and are going to look at some tweaks, before communicating the final version before the season starts.

Someone should make some tweaks to the RFL ... like replacing them all with people who can actually do the job.

Their response to people asking why they've not released official communication about these amendments was to just say 'we told the club's in December'. That's ok then, just ignore everyone else across the game who might want to know.



It's some number being in the top brass at the RFL, especially when you decide to pay a company to help do your job. I mean, it seems like IMG have seen them coming but they're at least taking some the RFL's flak nowadays.

These are all good lines, and I agree with every one of them, but unfortunately when the dust settles after this latest micro-sighted cockup, and it will do because it always does - they'll still be there, earning massive paycheques for drinking free gin and pretending they are professional administrators (which at least are two things they seem to be good at).

The whole thing has been handled in such a shambolic way that, if it was a private company, you'd expect people to be losing their jobs. A month out from the start of a new season and we are talking about this?

There was talk of the points from last season being wiped from players' records, but a HKR player has just picked up a ban on the back of his previous record from last season. Not a lot of clarity on what's happening here at all

Doesn't surprise you does it? It made me laugh when something only seemed to be done about this new system when Sam Burgress slated it and said he wouldn't accept any bans from their friendly a couple of weeks ago. He's right btw but I get the feeling if somebody with less sway had said it, they'd have just ignored them. To be a few days short of teams competative seasons starting and not knowing how the disciplinary is going to work is just lunacy but this is the RFL. The top brass will probably be too busy planning their freebies to Vegas!