Interesting article. https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sp ... cker-2025/ We had the 5th best kick stats last year at 78% (Thewlis' 76% boosted by Ratchford's 88% contribution) but it cost us big time in the Hull KR semi if you recall - losing 10-8 with 2 missed kicks. It's an area we can improve. I wonder if we we stick with Thewlis or whether Leyland will get the duties based on his impressive kicking so far?

Interesting article. https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sp ... cker-2025/ We had the 5th best kick stats last year at 78% (Thewlis' 76% boosted by Ratchford's 88% contribution) but it cost us big time in the Hull KR semi if you recall - losing 10-8 with 2 missed kicks. It's an area we can improve. I wonder if we we stick with Thewlis or whether Leyland will get the duties based on his impressive kicking so far?

Whoever has looked best in training I would say. Thewlis’ % was ok last year but can be improved on (we’ve been spoiled in this dept recently with Ratch). Was his first season kicking though after a few years of not practicing by all accounts. I’m sure he will improve, I’d be tempted to stick with him.



Leyland has started his kicking career with us well, but it’s a very small sample size obviously, he was at just under 66% last year - which isn’t great.

Goal kickers win games.

Spot on how many times have we seen teams score more try’s and still lose.

Quote Wires71="Wires71"Interesting article. https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sp ... cker-2025/ We had the 5th best kick stats last year at 78% (Thewlis' 76% boosted by Ratchford's 88% contribution) but it cost us big time in the Hull KR semi if you recall - losing 10-8 with 2 missed kicks. It's an area we can improve. I wonder if we we stick with Thewlis or whether Leyland will get the duties based on his impressive kicking so far?'" McGillvery was 100%.

Quote Wires71="Wires71"Interesting article. https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/sp ... cker-2025/ We had the 5th best kick stats last year at 78% (Thewlis' 76% boosted by Ratchford's 88% contribution) but it cost us big time in the Hull KR semi if you recall - losing 10-8 with 2 missed kicks. It's an area we can improve. I wonder if we we stick with Thewlis or whether Leyland will get the duties based on his impressive kicking so far?'" McGillvery was 100%.

Goal kicks don’t win games, tries win games, but a missed kick can lose you one.

So kicking them goals win you games?

If we had a top kicker we may have made the grand final last year. Even if thewlis could have kicked at 50% we would have forced golden point.



Unfortunately Kull KR won the game by a conversion.

I think it will improve this year, we have Leyland added to potential kicking options, and i'm sure it's an area that will be focused on this year.

And yeah it definately is the difference at times between a win or lose.

I don't envy kickers though as it must be stressful, look at Ratchford with the kick that would have given him the record. He'd kicked many over before that from the same angle but fluffed it

76% is a pretty good percentage.



I want a kicker that kicks at 100% but nobody does. Not Sinfield at his peak, not Harry Smith, not Andrew Johns.



We should choose our kicker based on the best technique. A better technique is less likely to falter in a pressure situation. It strikes me that Thewlis has a pretty decent technique. If we stick with him, and his attitude to practice is right through his career, his percentage will get better (as Sinfield's did)

Brett Hodgson was a great kicker but Pat Richards was nuts pretty sure he could kick a goal from under his own posts lol

McGillvery did.

I think he's at a loose end now. Would you have him over Thewlis?

Quote just_browny="just_browny"76% is a pretty good percentage. I want a kicker that kicks at 100% but nobody does. Not Sinfield at his peak, not Harry Smith, not Andrew Johns. We should choose our kicker based on the best technique. A better technique is less likely to falter in a pressure situation. It strikes me that Thewlis has a pretty decent technique. If we stick with him, and his attitude to practice is right through his career, his percentage will get better (as Sinfield's did)'" All of those you mentioned would likely have kicked this. https://youtu.be/wsCqGQEmyWg?t=415

Quote just_browny="just_browny"76% is a pretty good percentage. I want a kicker that kicks at 100% but nobody does. Not Sinfield at his peak, not Harry Smith, not Andrew Johns. We should choose our kicker based on the best technique. A better technique is less likely to falter in a pressure situation. It strikes me that Thewlis has a pretty decent technique. If we stick with him, and his attitude to practice is right through his career, his percentage will get better (as Sinfield's did)'" All of those you mentioned would likely have kicked this. https://youtu.be/wsCqGQEmyWg?t=415

Quote Wires71="Wires71"All of those you mentioned would likely have kicked this. https://youtu.be/wsCqGQEmyWg?t=415'" It was a poor miss, but he's a 22 year old kid in his first season as a kicker for the first team, and looking at the only other realistic option in the squad - Leyland - his %'s were pretty poor last year too. If we sign a recognised kicker by all means Thewlis can step aside, but for now I think we stick with him.

Quote Wires71="Wires71"All of those you mentioned would likely have kicked this. https://youtu.be/wsCqGQEmyWg?t=415'" It was a poor miss, but he's a 22 year old kid in his first season as a kicker for the first team, and looking at the only other realistic option in the squad - Leyland - his %'s were pretty poor last year too. If we sign a recognised kicker by all means Thewlis can step aside, but for now I think we stick with him.

Ratchford was very "average" as a goal kicker when he came to Wire. He could kick the difficult goals but miss a lot of easier kicks.



His % rate improved when Wire recruited a RU specialist goalkicking coach and he has maintained that ever since.



I`m sure that Ratchford is helping Hayes and Leyland with their kicking technique, but for that little bit of extra gain and consistency in the pressure games maybe we should bring in a RU goalkicking coach for Hayes & Leyland.

Yes this is not bagging Thewlis. He can only kick as good as he can kick and hope to improve with practice. The question was it that good enough for us as a team. But as you say Leyland at 66% was pretty poor last season too.

It’s quite rare in RL to get beaten if you have out scored the opposition in tries.

Only a handful of tight games in RL have more than 7 tries where a kicking average of only 60% to win you the game even if the opposition has a 100% strike rate.



Only a try less games is where the game gets decided on kicks, and those games are extremely rare.



That is why I say, a good kicker doesn’t win you games, but he could lose you one.

It isn’t about the kicker, it’s about not having the try advantage, or having to rely on the opponent poor discipline to give the kicker a chance to make the difference.

However, I'd proffer that quite a few games have both teams on level try's, or a one try margin. Goal kicking success isn't just about the points equivalence of half a try, it's so much more IMO.



In addition to turning four into six, taking the two and getting the ball back what's not to like? A kick success can stretch your lead to a two score advantage, perhaps forcing the opposition to start taking chances on riskier plays depending upon the clock.



Although and it rarely backfired on Sinfield, it didn't work out in the Challenge Cup when I think we viewed the option as weak desperate move........but then again thanks to Mr Ganson, he and Leeds fared better in the 2011 play off.

In the 2011 play-off game, it was a certain touch judge....James Child who walked onto the field of play with his flag raised to stop play, and told the ref. that Richie Myler was offside at the play the ball when he attempted to charge down an attempted Leeds drop goal that missed.



Ganson had no choice other than to accept Child`s intervention and looked unhappy that the game was probably going to be decided by Child`s opinion. When the Wire players questioned the reason for the penalty, he told them that the touch judge had given offside at the play the ball.



In all the time that I have been watching Rugby League, I have never seen a touch judge stop a game for an offside penalty at the play the ball like that and probably never will in the future.



I was not a big fan of Ganson, but on that occasion he was blameless.

Eh ?



Sinfield knocked us out of the playoffs in 2011 by a kick. (2 tries each)



We lost the semi final again Hull KR with a kick. (2 tries each)

Like I said rare!

Neither of those argue against me.



In either examples, had we scored 3 try’s to 2, we wouldn’t have been beaten without a kick!

And if our ‘rubbish’ kicker had a 33% average with 3 trys to two, we win!!



So you see, the game is all about try’s. That is why a conversion and penalty is 2 points, not 3. Otherwise we can have a 15-12 score like we see in rah rah, and not see a try.



So your post backs my statement up perfectly.



(In RL) Kickers don’t win you games, but they can lose you one.

I like you RD but sometimes you do spout utter bollox

It’s all math.