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Thats from the Wigan TV camera, and if you call seeing McIlorum back conclusive then your right
 . at no point from that does it even look high never mind conclusive.'"
Are you serious? That is an awful tackle. The reaction of the Cas players tells you all you need to know. |
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| Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"Watch boots'n'all if you get a chance watch the referee after the tackle. He clearly points and says shoulder. That is why he gave a penalty and no send off or on report. It's also why it was graded as reckless rather than deliberate. Obviously and correctly his previous has been taken into consideration hence 3 games rather than 2.'"
Yeah, because refs always judge things perfectly. The reaction of the Cas players shows you what they thought about the "tackle" from a front on view.
Anybody who has watched MM play knows that he is more than capable of deliberate malice, even Wigan fans if they are honest with themselves. |
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| Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"Are you serious? That is an awful tackle. The reaction of the Cas players tells you all you need to know.'"
if you can McIlorum making contact with the head then you need to go and work in border control you will be worth a fortune as you must have X-ray vision.
yeah we might as well do away with the video ref if we are going of players reactions every try must be a try |
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| Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"Yeah, because refs always judge things perfectly. The reaction of the Cas players shows you what they thought about the "tackle" from a front on view.
Anybody who has watched MM play knows that he is more than capable of deliberate malice, even Wigan fans if they are honest with themselves.'"
Micky MaC is a tough intimidating player, he is also a very talented player. He crosses the line sometimes.
If you remove that aggressive streak in him you lose some of his effectiveness.
All aggressive players tend to be fans favorites at their own clubs and villains to opposition fans.
Skerrett, Nickle, Newton, Foggerty, Forber, Davidson, Tuuta, Ian Roberts, Paul Harrigan, etc etc etc
Despite the attempts to over sanitise the sport rugby is at a base level an aggressive contact sport and characters like those listed above and many more before and since will always thrive in that environment. It's the nature of the beast and when they do boil over they receive the adequate punishment. No need to go OTT on the issue. |
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| Quote dubairl="dubairl"if you can McIlorum making contact with the head then you need to go and work in border control you will be worth a fortune as you must have X-ray vision.
yeah we might as well do away with the video ref if we are going of players reactions every try must be a try
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When I watch it I see a player making a ludicrously uncontrolled tackle, a group of obviously incensed Cas players who saw it front on, and a player with a broken jaw.
But yeah, I'm sure there was no contact with the head. |
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| Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"When I watch it I see a player making a ludicrously uncontrolled tackle, a group of obviously incensed Cas players who saw it front on, and a player with a broken jaw.
But yeah, I'm sure there was no contact with the head.'"
I see Saints have made a good start to the season..... |
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| Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"When I watch it I see a player making a ludicrously uncontrolled tackle, a group of obviously incensed Cas players who saw it front on, and a player with a broken jaw.
But yeah, I'm sure there was no contact with the head.'"
Just to help you out here because you are obviously struggling a little to understand.
[uNo-one [/uis suggesting that he didn't hit his head.
The poster was referring to the ref's decision AT THE TIME. He couldn't very well diagnose a broken jaw on the spot now could he? He thought the first contact was shoulder, Therefore he gave MMc the benefit of the doubt and just gave a penalty. Now, we know that was an error and that in fact he probably should have got sent off - just as most people on here have admitted.
Your rather pathetic attempts to stir the **** do you no credit. This as 'jonh' has eloquently stated above is a non issue (apart from for Kirk Dixon of course). Move along. |
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Quote Aboveusonlypie="Aboveusonlypie"Just to help you out here because you are obviously struggling a little to understand.
[uNo-one [/uis suggesting that he didn't hit his head.
The poster was referring to the ref's decision AT THE TIME. He couldn't very well diagnose a broken jaw on the spot now could he? He thought the first contact was shoulder, Therefore he gave MMc the benefit of the doubt and just gave a penalty. Now, we know that was an error and that in fact he probably should have got sent off - just as most people on here have admitted.
Your rather pathetic attempts to stir the **** do you no credit. This as 'jonh' has eloquently stated above is a non issue (apart from for Kirk Dixon of course). Move along.'"
Exactly, I still think he hits the shoulder first as Dixon falls into the tackle. However, it was still reckless and he deserves what he got AND it's perfectly in line with the guidelines. It was reckless rather than intentional and that's why it was graded as such
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[uNo-one [/uis suggesting that he didn't hit his head.
The poster was referring to the ref's decision AT THE TIME. He couldn't very well diagnose a broken jaw on the spot now could he? He thought the first contact was shoulder, Therefore he gave MMc the benefit of the doubt and just gave a penalty. Now, we know that was an error and that in fact he probably should have got sent off - just as most people on here have admitted.
Your rather pathetic attempts to stir the **** do you no credit. This as 'jonh' has eloquently stated above is a non issue (apart from for Kirk Dixon of course). Move along.'"
Exactly, I still think he hits the shoulder first as Dixon falls into the tackle. However, it was still reckless and he deserves what he got AND it's perfectly in line with the guidelines. It was reckless rather than intentional and that's why it was graded as such
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| Quote Aboveusonlypie="Aboveusonlypie"Just to help you out here because you are obviously struggling a little to understand.
[uNo-one [/uis suggesting that he didn't hit his head.
The poster was referring to the ref's decision AT THE TIME.'"
I replied to a quote referencing the video footage, but thanks anyway. |
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| Quote FearTheVee="FearTheVee"When I watch it I see a player making a:1xo2zdu7 ludicrously uncontrolled tackle
Not over exaggerating at all? he tackled a player high by the outcome clearly but if he hadn't hurt dixon like the other countless high tackles i doubt anything would of come from this.
I do think McIlorum needs to change his technique because he does whack players with his arms a lot i think he needs to learn to do it with the should and he shouldn't be caught tackling a player high as much.
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Quote Rogues Gallery="Rogues Gallery"Exactly, I still think he hits the shoulder first as Dixon falls into the tackle. However, it was still reckless and he deserves what he got AND it's perfectly in line with the guidelines. It was reckless rather than intentional and that's why it was graded as such
media.therfl.co.uk/docs/On%20Fie ... -Final.pdf
Section 2.5 (15.1b)'"
Amusing suddenly the disciplinary committees version of events is suddenly used to justify this shocking 'tackle' when usually they are being mocked as too lenient. Not that you'll have every disagreed with any of their decisions before though so you're fully justified to take everything they decide as the holy truth.
And I fail to see how his arm touching his shoulders for a split second before smacking his face is any justification. Are you seriously trying to say he wouldn't be aware that if you hit someone that high, who will naturally slump in the collision that his arm would eventually end up smacking his face? It wasn't like he was about to make a break and it was a last gasp tackle, he knew exactly what he was doing.
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media.therfl.co.uk/docs/On%20Fie ... -Final.pdf
Section 2.5 (15.1b)'"
Amusing suddenly the disciplinary committees version of events is suddenly used to justify this shocking 'tackle' when usually they are being mocked as too lenient. Not that you'll have every disagreed with any of their decisions before though so you're fully justified to take everything they decide as the holy truth.
And I fail to see how his arm touching his shoulders for a split second before smacking his face is any justification. Are you seriously trying to say he wouldn't be aware that if you hit someone that high, who will naturally slump in the collision that his arm would eventually end up smacking his face? It wasn't like he was about to make a break and it was a last gasp tackle, he knew exactly what he was doing.
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Wigan fans defending their own whilst opposition fans call for his head shocker.
Much like anything in life, the actual incident is up for interpretation. And there is enough evidence [or lack thereof to fit anybodies agenda. If you think McIllorum is a thug, then he deliberately went in to hurt Dixon. If you're a Wigan fan you can see the play falls into the tackle, and therefor was hit high.
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| Quote Sibbs Rhinos="Sibbs Rhinos"Amusing suddenly the disciplinary committees version of events is suddenly used to justify this shocking 'tackle' when usually they are being mocked as too lenient. Not that you'll have every disagreed with any of their decisions before though so you're fully justified to take everything they decide as the holy truth.
And I fail to see how his arm touching his shoulders for a split second before smacking his face is any justification. Are you seriously trying to say he wouldn't be aware that if you hit someone that high, who will naturally slump in the collision that his arm would eventually end up smacking his face? It wasn't like he was about to make a break and it was a last gasp tackle, he knew exactly what he was doing.
And let's face it, whilst you'd never admit it if that was any player doing that to one of Wigans you would not try and justify that as an accident.'"
Go back through all my posts on this sort of incident, and I'll always say let the review panel sort it out. You see I don't believe they are prejudiced, be it for or against any club. |
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I'm just happy that MM was not injured when he was fallen on!!!
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McCollum looks to put something on someone just about every tackle.
He's a common thug. Deal with it. Whether he meant to or not this time it's luck he hasn't done this a few times.
Just about every team has one it's unfortunate McIlorum is just about the most odious one in the league. Sly and cowardly.
I don't get your fans obsession with him he's a liability.
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| Quote Burtons Forearm="Burtons Forearm"McCollum looks to put something on someone just about every tackle.
He's a common thug. Deal with it. Whether he meant to or not this time it's luck he hasn't done this a few times.
Just about every team has one it's unfortunate McIlorum is just about the most odious one in the league. Sly and cowardly.
I don't get your fans obsession with him he's a liability.'"
If you spelt his name correct it may add weight to your claim. so your problem with him is he looks for a big shot every tackle? also you need to learn what a coward is i have never seen him back down from any one and many of them are a lot bigger. |
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| Quote Burtons Forearm="Burtons Forearm"McCollum looks to put something on someone just about every tackle.
He's a common thug. Deal with it. Whether he meant to or not this time it's luck he hasn't done this a few times.
Just about every team has one it's unfortunate McIlorum is just about the most odious one in the league. Sly and cowardly.
I don't get your fans obsession with him he's a liability.'"
Just a few points from your rant. How would you define a "common thug"? Wouldn't it be someone who is constantly in trouble outside the game as well in order to deserve the epithet?
Secondly, you call him sly and cowardly. I would have thought that would belong to someone who does stuff behind the refs back not in full view of everyone. Perhaps you need to think again about your choice of insults.
Our obsession with him stems from his faultless performances in the playoffs last season when he outplayed Lunt Burrow Higham and Monaghan earning himself England recognition as well as the double. As has been noted earlier he kept his nose clean pretty much all season and proved himself one of the best hookers in the competition. |
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| Quote dubairl="dubairl"If you spelt his name correct it may add weight to your claim. so your problem with him is he looks for a big shot every tackle? also you need to learn what a coward is i have never seen him back down from any one and many of them are a lot bigger.'"
Really. He nearly soiled his shorts when Mickey Paea took issue with his attempted elbow last year at your place. Most players laugh at his pathetic antics. Which Paea did when the colour drained from Mr McIlorum's face.
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| Quote Aboveusonlypie="Aboveusonlypie"Just a few points from your rant. How would you define a "common thug"? Wouldn't it be someone who is constantly in trouble outside the game as well in order to deserve the epithet?
Secondly, you call him sly and cowardly. I would have thought that would belong to someone who does stuff behind the refs back not in full view of everyone. Perhaps you need to think again about your choice of insults.
Our obsession with him stems from his faultless performances in the playoffs last season when he outplayed Lunt Burrow Higham and Monaghan earning himself England recognition as well as the double. As has been noted earlier he kept his nose clean pretty much all season and proved himself one of the best hookers in the competition.'"
Let's agree that he was lucky not to be cited a few times last season.
You think McNamara picked all the best players for the world cup. Really.
Roby Houghton Clark Monaghan all better players and people. |
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| Quote Burtons Forearm="Burtons Forearm"Really. He nearly soiled his shorts when Mickey Paea took issue with his attempted elbow last year at your place. Most players laugh at his pathetic antics. Which Paea did when the colour drained from Mr McIlorum's face.
He's no Nicky kiss.'"
lol find a video and i may believe you but i know you won't because its a figment of your imagination. He's just gone up against one of the best props and pack in the world and never took a backwards step. |
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| Quote Burtons Forearm="Burtons Forearm"Let's agree that he was lucky not to be cited a few times last season.
You think McNamara picked all the best players for the world cup. Really.
Roby Houghton Clark Monaghan all better players and people.'"
Well he picked MMc over some pretty good hookers like Houghton, Lunt and Clark. So maybe he isn't as bad as you think. As to whether he picked the best players I don't think there were any world class players left out of the squad although you can argue about the team all day long. You don't like MMc - that's your prerogative, don't let that cloud your judgement of him as a player. |
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| Quote Burtons Forearm="Burtons Forearm"McCollum looks to put something on someone just about every tackle.
He's a common thug. Deal with it. Whether he meant to or not this time it's luck he hasn't done this a few times.
Just about every team has one it's unfortunate McIlorum is just about the most odious one in the league. [size=150Sly and cowardly.[/size
I don't get your fans obsession with him he's a liability.'"
coward
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