It is clear that many of de Pfeffel’s government failed to understand that we cannot leave the ECHR because it forms part of the good Friday agreement which de Pfeffel wants to protect apparently. If we were to leave then we are in breach of the agreement with the multitude of problems that would be brought on the U.K.

100%.



Its failure as an immigration policy was designed in to maximise distraction and outrage.



Same with the NI protocol stuff.



It is meant to fail and provoke anger.



Government driven only by the need to stoke resentment to hide incompetence and corruption.

Nice try holy ghost but once again no cigar, what I said was that like the UK government I did not have a clue how to fix this massive problem, at least Scarlet has thought about it and put forward his plans for a solution unlike yourself and numb nuts from the hamptons who accuses me of bellendery or whatever can only put forward insults, It's harder in France to get Asylum as the process is harder and takes longer maybe that's why they try to come to the UK, it's not too difficult to realise that every boat load that leaves France is one less problem for them to deal with as they they're own problems with migrants, but that's probably too hard for you to comprehend.

You appear to have missed my reply of yesterday with what we need to do.



Unfortunately as you cling to the delusion that this is some sort of national crisis it's going to be hard to have a sensible discussion.

Serious problem yes, national crisis no, that's the interpretation your putting on it, you should be playing for the rhinos with a sidestep you possess



If you want a sensible discussion you need to get past your bitterness towards the Government.

They are no longer a government they are a law breaking sham who are finding ways to kick down on the powerless and the weak to make themselves look strong for their political ends. They don't care how much it costs the country, they don't care if courts repeatedly find them to have broken laws, they don't care that they've destroyed our economy, they don't care if our international allies are stepping further away from us.



Johnson and his cabinet of no talents could do almost nothing that would remove my contempt for them.

I live on the Kent Coast and see these migrant boats arrive fairly regularly, close to where I live.

They land the migrants at the local lifeboat station, having been escorted in by the RNLI. Then they whisk them off in minibuses.

The ones I have seen recently do not look that needy. All male, mid to early twenties and well dressed, they have the latest trainers, mobile phones and certainly do not look as if they have been living rough, prior to their departure from France.

What I would say is, they do take a great risk crossing in these craft. The sea lanes are very busy and one day one of them will get run down by one of the massive vessels that travel through.

People around here, by and large, do not have too much sympathy for the migrants.

Sounds like people of good working age, who could, if given the chance, fill the gaps in labour in the uk and end up paying taxes.

We have our own unemployed labour force, why not let them fill the gaps in the labour market, unfortunately having to get up and go to work not to mention having to pay income tax does not appeal to most of them, wonder how long it would be once those people of good working age would realise they'd be better off on benefits.

Where? the vast majority of the unemployed are unwell, with disabilities, incapable of work or generally not willing to work.



So we need to enhance the Labour market, consider how many Europeans have left, we need to get these migrants into the labour market asap.



The country will be weighted with aging population if we dont make changes to immigration pretty soon.

If you read the Tory press, they suggest that claiming benefits is the only reason people come here. Not something that I go along with.

illegal Immigrants and refugees struggle to get anything worthwhile off the UK government, it isn't easy, Illegal immigrants cant get anything, if they go through the system and becomd an asylum seeker they £40.85 per person on a payment card per week if they are in gov accomodation.



at the end of the day, these people don't travel around the world to get £40 a week, they are eager to earn more, and we should utilise that and get them working, the sooner they do the sooner they are out of the system and paying tax.

You see this is where the media and Tory lies have done their job, they’ve fed you a line that asylum seekers should benneedy- and you’ve swallowed that line without even thinking about it. .

Why should they be needy- they are seeking ASYLUM- they are not by definition economic migrants - in fact the ones that make it here at all are the well off- because those are the ex lawyers, teachers, nurses, accountants, business owners, property owners who had the money to be able to pay the traffickers in the first place!

These people are fleeing persecution, or war- they were successful people with good jobs- just like your or I- so why wouldn’t they have good trainers or a decent mobile phone???

If your home was bombed and you had to flee- would you suddenly find yourself wearing poundshop clothing and be clutching a Nokia?

I presume you are aware that the EU is paying Turkey billions to house thousands of refugees. Many in tented camps, also dotted across the Middle East is various other refugees camps. Beirut for example. Turkey has threatened to open up the refugee flood gates if the money is stopped.

Without doubt this scenario is a direct result of the Blair/ Bush war in Iraq, I note that some of the illegal immigrants entering this country are from a wide range of countries. EG Vietnam, Iran , Albania and Eritrea. Not certain if we owe any obligation to anyone from that neck of the woods.

Since Blair and mandlelson opened up the human floodgates ,millions have entered this country. The health services have struggled under the strain, quite understandably. However it’s turned out fine and dandy for the left wing brigade to blame every shortcoming on the tories.

Lucking on the bright side lots of leftie lovies law firms in London are making a fortune in legal aid. Quick question for you , when do we put up the house full signs. Or do we keep on accepting this on a day by day basis

The European Commission adopted two financing decisions, amounting to €560 million, to support inclusive quality education for refugees in Turkey and access to higher education as well as for migration and border protection.



We cannot put up the "full" signs, as we need 1000s of migrants to fill the employment holes left by leaving the EU, not to mention the lack of children, we are down to 1.7 children per household now, well below the 2.1 children needed to keep the status quo, so where are we going to get the people we need to get the UK back on track?

Are you talking about legal migration or the relatively small issue of illegal migration? Or are you conflating the two like Tories/Kippers do into one big lump of "forriners", deliberately to confuse and enrage people.



As @Sadfish says, our chronic labour market shortages and basic demographics mean we are in desperate need of the labour that used to come in here to plug the gaps. That was before lunatics spent five years telling them to leave the country.



Yes, it's absolutely nothing to do with the chronic underfunding of services by the Tories who have been in power for more than a decade now. No siree, let's blame foreign people and lefties, how about the EU, do you still want to try blaming them?



You right wingers constantly demand people take personal responsibility. But you never, ever take responsibility for what you and the government you elected have done to our country. It's always someone else's fault: another country, another government, immigrants or lefties. Try and hold you to account and you get all snowflakey, complain about being picked on or the left wing media (LOL) or some other ridiculous trivia.



You lot have run the country for almost all of my lifetime. If it's a mess, which it clearly is, how about you look closer to home than blaming everyone else for what you've done?

Here we go again that owd chestnut, YOU LOT, you don't give a toss about the migrants illegal or otherwise, it's just another stick to beat the Government with haven't you thought for one minute that he might be one of your lot with a different outlook on the matter to you, your that desperate because your lot are such non descripts you have to support Sir Keir and his leggy mate to legitimise your bitterness, so sad if you really want a project bob down to Headingley both side of the divide there could do with some help for different reasons, your psychoanalyst skills may come in handy

So to summarise this and every other thread:



Most people: The press are just breaking the news that a government minister has chopped 200 children into little bits and sold them in pies. Its terrible.



One person: Any excuse to have a go. You don't see boring labour feeding people like that.

Do you believe that Boris Johnson and Priti Patel are concerned by the plight of migrants crossing the channel and the primary goal of their policy is to address the problem?



More generally, do you believe Boris Johnson is acting in good faith for the betterment of the country and all of its people? Do you believe that your well-being and that of people like you is important to him?

In a word NO.

Fair play.



My long-awaited and much-anticipated thread on the synoptic problem could be in the offing, if we’ve resolved this.

I'm sorry if it really triggers you when people point out that the people who have run the country for the past 12 years are the ones responsible for its lamentable state.



It's not lefties or foreigners or the EU. It's not Jeremy Corbyn or those fat cat nurses, teachers and scientists. Or people on benefits living a high life.



The Tories are in charge, total charge, and they have led us to this place. And also responsible to some degree are you and me and everyone else who voted for them or twists themselves into knots apologising for them.

There's no need to feel sorry for me when people point out the failings of the Government, I can see them for myself, I don't defend the Government over anything and would ask you to point out where I have, but I do reserve the right to question some of your opinions without getting the usual playground insults thrown at me because my opinion at times differs to yours, which results in being called a Tory lover and labelled one of your lot, having said that I have no confidence in any other party either that's why I don't bother voting not to mention not having to apologise for them or twist myself into knots for the embarrassment they keep causing, and just remember there were plenty of Labour and Lib Dem supporters voted for Brexit, and before you reply I had misgivings both ways and therefore did not vote myself so have no comment to make either way.

This confirms basically that you don’t believe voting makes a difference and that you never read newspapers. I ask on what grounds you can question those on here who criticise the government and vote to try to stop them. We are still a democracy well just about but at least many have registered what they think by voting regardless who it is for and regardless of if you are successful or not. If you don’t vote you can only blame yourself for what you get not others on here who have.

I believe de Pfeffel is slowly destroying our country by copying the style of Trump because the similarities are obvious to all, well those that follow the news so probably not you.

If that's how you want to interpret it squire then fill your boots, it is after all my choice and if don't want to vote then I don't see why I should seek your permission to abstain on voting for any parties I don't believe in as you reluctantly say we are a democracy, not sure what not reading any newspapers has to do with voting though, the only link I can see here is both the media and the political parties only tell you what they want you to know, a bit like you really, as for having only myself to blame for what I get just remind what it is I've complained about, I'd get what I get whatever party is in power so my thoughts are simply crack on with it, if you want to rule the country or be a part of that process then by all means go for it, have to say, you do seem to have a lot in common.



Not sure why you would want to link Boris with Trump on a thread about asylum seekers as the holy ghost implied in a previous post it's not that big a deal, Trumps gone if you hadn't noticed even I knew that despite you thinking that I don't watch the news, admittedly it's not always reliable, but it's far more informative and reliable than you, hopefully this is the end of the matter as I've explained things in simple terms for you and no reply is necessary.