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| I think you need to revisit your information sources if you believe Trump has gone. He may no longer be President but sadly he won’t go away he likes the status it gave him much like de Pffell.
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| Quote chissitt="chissitt"
Not sure why you would want to link Boris with Trump on a thread about asylum seekers as the holy ghost implied in a previous post it's not that big a deal, Trumps gone if you hadn't noticed even I knew that despite you thinking that I don't watch the news, admittedly it's not always reliable, but it's far more informative and reliable than you, hopefully this is the end of the matter as I've explained things in simple terms for you and no reply is necessary.'"
Trump is obviously relevant. The parallels are clear: the fear mongering, the othering of minorities, the ginning up of hate for immigrants, the disregard or abolition of ethical guard rails designed to control the executive, the undermining of the mechanics of democracy to try and help him stay in power. The tax cuts, lucrative contracts and favours for plutocrats and the leader's billionaire friends. The deliberate law breaking.
This isn't normal. This isn't what past Prime Ministers and Presidents have done. Lazily pretending all sides are the same when clearly they are not, failing to act to vote against them makes you almost as complicit as someone who voted for them.
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| Quote Scarlet Pimpernell="Scarlet Pimpernell"[uI think you need to revisit your information sources if you believe Trump has gone[/u. He may no longer be President but sadly he won’t go away he likes the status it gave him much like Boris'"
I'll tell you what I believe squire, and that is that your confusing me with somebody what gives a toss about Trump, as for him not going away he's a bit like you, although you buy a season ticket you don't go to the games but your never off the Wakey board spreading your doom and gloom, if you want the last word then get on with it because I'm sick of your attempt at confrontation all the time. 
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| Quote chissitt="chissitt"I'll tell you what I believe squire, and that is that your confusing me with somebody what gives a toss about Trump, as for him not going away he's a bit like you, although you buy a season ticket you don't go to the games but your never off the Wakey board spreading your doom and gloom, if you want the last word then get on with it because I'm sick of your attempt at confrontation all the time.
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You are a sad old man tilting at windmills I preferred you when you were Happyjack.
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| Quote Scarlet Pimpernell="Scarlet Pimpernell"You are a sad old man tilting at windmills I preferred you when you were Happyjack.'"
I'm always happy your just too preoccupied with your prejudices to have noticed 
Fwiw I think it's you that needs to evaluate your information source if that helps.
BTW I've sent you a PM far easier and less troublesome, hope you agree.
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| Quote The Ghost of '99="The Ghost of '99"[u:ia6rspp2Trump is obviously relevant[/u:ia6rspp2. The parallels are clear
I've never met the man so I'll have to take your word for that, it would seem though that it's a toss up who you despise the most him or cuddly Boris, don't get me wrong as it's really none of my business but I would have thought you'd have enough on your plate campaigning against our PM than to include dear old Trumpsy to help bolster your argument, unless of course your running out of ammunition of regurgitated stuff about Boris, the most gratifying thing for you though is it won't be long before he gives you some fresh ammunition for your crusade.
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| Same as ever, apologists for the regime embark on a crusade of distraction and obfuscation rather than actually address any of the issues.
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| Quote The Ghost of '99="The Ghost of '99"Same as ever, apologists for the regime embark on a crusade of distraction and obfuscation rather than actually address any of the issues.'"
Aye lass same as ever, when your struggling to address any issues come back with the stock sidestep of the playground insults very classy.
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| Quote chissitt="chissitt"Aye lass same as ever, when your struggling to address any issues come back with the stock sidestep of the playground insults very classy.'"
Have you actually got any thoughts on policy or is it all Blue Team Good, Red Team Bad?
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| Quote The Ghost of '99="The Ghost of '99"Have you actually got any thoughts on policy or is it all Blue Team Good, Red Team Bad?'"
It would be good to know what policy your on about, Trump, asylum seekers, Brexit, as you keep moving from one topic to another, my team play in red, white & blue sometimes good sometimes bad and sometimes just plain lucky,
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| Quote The Ghost of '99="The Ghost of '99"Are you talking about legal migration or the relatively small issue of illegal migration? Or are you conflating the two like Tories/Kippers do into one big lump of "forriners", deliberately to confuse and enrage people.
As @Sadfish says, our chronic labour market shortages and basic demographics mean we are in desperate need of the labour that used to come in here to plug the gaps. That was before lunatics spent five years telling them to leave the country.
Yes, it's absolutely nothing to do with the chronic underfunding of services by the Tories who have been in power for more than a decade now. No siree, let's blame foreign people and lefties, how about the EU, do you still want to try blaming them?
You right wingers constantly demand people take personal responsibility. But you never, ever take responsibility for what you and the government you elected have done to our country. It's always someone else's fault: another country, another government, immigrants or lefties. Try and hold you to account and you get all snowflakey, complain about being picked on or the left wing media (LOL) or some other ridiculous trivia.
You lot have run the country for almost all of my lifetime. If it's a mess, which it clearly is, how about you look closer to home than blaming everyone else for what you've done?'"
Brilliant the forums quasi intellectual trots out the usual tired and stale cliche. Ref kippers, I voted reman, as for voting for the Tory party, that would be impossible as Cameron cheerfully extinguished the Tory party. Any remaining embers were stamped on by Johnson. No country in the world can absorb the unprecedented wave of migration the uk has endured without some repercussions.
You may care to comment regarding the proposed dumping of 1500 illegal immigrants into a camp at Linton on Ouse. The population of the village is 1200. The local doctors can’t take anymore patients ,obviously any medical problems will land in the lap of York hospital. When that is overrun you will be able to complain those disgusting tories have run down the nhs. Still ever cloud has a silver lining, we may get more bearded film critics, they have done a splendid job in Bradford banning a film none of them have seen.
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| Disguising fear and hatred of foreigners up in a laughable disguise of concern for the NHS. A classic that gets rolled out time and again. Strangely this concern for our health service disappears the rest of the time.
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| Quote Backwoodsman="Backwoodsman"Brilliant the forums quasi intellectual trots out the usual tired and stale cliche. Ref kippers, I voted reman, as for voting for the Tory party, that would be impossible as Cameron cheerfully extinguished the Tory party. Any remaining embers were stamped on by Johnson. No country in the world can absorb the unprecedented wave of migration the uk has endured without some repercussions.
You may care to comment regarding the proposed dumping of 1500 illegal immigrants into a camp at Linton on Ouse. The population of the village is 1200. The local doctors can’t take anymore patients ,obviously any medical problems will land in the lap of York hospital. When that is overrun you will be able to complain those disgusting tories have run down the nhs. Still ever cloud has a silver lining, we may get more bearded film critics, they have done a splendid job in Bradford banning a film none of them have seen.'"
Wow, you're tarring a lot of folk with the same brush there.
I especially like the use of the word "them", when you refer to the banning of the film in Bradford, which I dont agree should be banned.
Maybe "them" refers to anyone with a beard ?
Do you think that sending ANYONE to Rwanda is a decent solution to the problem ?
This is all deterrent and no solution
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| The original site was in the constituency of one Pritti Patel however she argued that the area proposed did not have the necessary support. This was the same person who then decided it would be better to send them to Linton on Ouse despite it being smaller and lacking any support services. I would suggest therefore that the problem of the so called dumping of human beings is directly due to the current Home Secretary.
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| Quote Scarlet Pimpernell="Scarlet Pimpernell"I would suggest therefore that the problem of the so called dumping of human beings is directly due to the current Home Secretary.'"
No that can't be right. Can we not blame the EU? Jeremy Corbyn maybe? "Lefty elites"?
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| Quote The Ghost of '99="The Ghost of '99"No that can't be right. Can we not blame the EU? Jeremy Corbyn maybe? "Lefty elites"?'"
Nah, it's just part of the levelling up process 
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Wow, you're tarring a lot of folk with the same brush there.
I especially like the use of the word "them", when you refer to the banning of the film in Bradford, which I dont agree should be banned.
Maybe "them" refers to anyone with a beard ?
Do you think that sending ANYONE to Rwanda is a decent solution to the problem ?
This is all deterrent and no solution'"
Not certain about Rwanda being the solution to the problem, I merely stated that EU are paying millions to the Turkish government to house Illegal immigrants in camps. I have 2 friends that are going through an extremely expensive process in bringing family members to the uk. They are going down the official route. The process has taken 3 years, one successful outcome so far. The other still ongoing , probably be easier and cheaper to go to France and hitch a lift on the frequent dinghy service. Apparently major delays to official applicants are due to the thousands of illegal immigrants who have to be processed first. Perhaps you may have the answer to the problem?
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| Quote Scarlet Pimpernell="Scarlet Pimpernell"The original site was in the constituency of one Pritti Patel however she argued that the area proposed did not have the necessary support. This was the same person who then decided it would be better to send them to Linton on Ouse despite it being smaller and lacking any support services. I would suggest therefore that the problem of the so called dumping of human beings is directly due to the current Home Secretary.'"
I suggest the problem is illegal immigrants , doesn’t really matter in which part of the country they are placed. A decent hotel in York is full of them, I can fully understand the rush to get out of France, when the reward is a place in one of the countries nicest cities. As opposed to sleeping in tents in Calais. Anyway congratulations ,you have managed a posting without the mention of Boris Johnson
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| Quote Backwoodsman="Backwoodsman"I suggest the problem is illegal immigrants , doesn’t really matter in which part of the country they are placed. A decent hotel in York is full of them, I can fully understand the rush to get out of France, when the reward is a place in one of the countries nicest cities. As opposed to sleeping in tents in Calais. Anyway congratulations ,you have managed a posting without the mention of Boris Johnson'"
I expect you to shortly be on mastermind with your specialist subject being immigration and it’s impact. I am sure you have all the correct facts to hand rather than those spouted by Farage. I suppose you will be ok with the free movement from Australia and India which in both cases they include this in the trade deal.
I think your friends have highlighted the problem with the current system in so far as we do not have legal routes for entry to the U.K. and then when you apply the Home Office is completely ill prepared.
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| Quote Backwoodsman="Backwoodsman"Not certain about Rwanda being the solution to the problem, I merely stated that EU are paying millions to the Turkish government to house Illegal immigrants in camps. I have 2 friends that are going through an extremely expensive process in bringing family members to the uk. They are going down the official route. The process has taken 3 years, one successful outcome so far. The other still ongoing , probably be easier and cheaper to go to France and hitch a lift on the frequent dinghy service. Apparently major delays to official applicants are due to the thousands of illegal immigrants who have to be processed first. Perhaps you may have the answer to the problem?'"
Not to mention the circa 3 million HK residents who have been told they can come ?
It's the shipping people off 4000 miles, to a country not renowned for it human rights that is wrong.
If this was China or Russia, we would be rightly pointing the finger and saying how it was wrong but, Ms Patel seems capable of almost anything and it's up to the decent folk in her party to keep her (and Boris) in line, something which, to date, they have shown little appetite for.
Incidentally, which country are your friends coming from ?
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| Quote Backwoodsman="Backwoodsman"I suggest the problem is illegal immigrants , doesn’t really matter in which part of the country they are placed. A decent hotel in York is full of them, I can fully understand the rush to get out of France, when the reward is a place in one of the countries nicest cities. As opposed to sleeping in tents in Calais.[u Anyway congratulations ,you have managed a posting without the mention of Boris Johnson[/u'"
Surely that would be dePffell Johnson
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"Not to mention the circa 3 million HK residents who have been told they can come ?
It's the shipping people off 4000 miles, to a country not renowned for it human rights that is wrong.
If this was China or Russia, we would be rightly pointing the finger and saying how it was wrong but, Ms Patel seems capable of almost anything and it's up to the decent folk in her party to keep her (and Boris) in line, something which, to date, they have shown little appetite for.
Incidentally, which country are your friends coming from ?'"
Costa Rica and Indonesia. The lad who has been granted residency status is from Costa Rica is a highly skilled craftsman. To enhance his application he worked withot pay (genuine) for one company . He now has a good job with that company ,he has other companies chasing his skills.
The other applicant is an oil rig engineer , he married a Christian girl from one of the islands. At the moment they won’t even let her into the country, sadly his father is at the end of life with MS. So he will have to come back without her, He has been married to her for approximately 5 years. I was surprised just how much the application process cost.
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| Quote chissitt="chissitt"Surely that would be dePffell Johnson'"
No it wouldn’t because I never use Johnson.
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=#FF0000I ask has Johnson produced the 100 contracts that he failed to declare despite being instructed to do so.'"
Blumming heck that how easy was that. 
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Yes but I have moved on to just de Pfeffel because that better describes what he spouts.
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